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Apr 25 10 11:43 AM
mystic gohan won't be able to handle the ssj4 form of goku..although i feel that Ssj3 is a little weaker than Mystic gohan,,
May 29 10 12:42 PM
Jul 16 10 7:13 PM
KingOfEurope wrote:roflcopters wrote:
mystic gohan won't be able to handle the ssj4 form of goku..although i feel that Ssj3 is a little weaker than Mystic gohan,,Actually, Mystic Gohan is roughly 5 to 6 times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku. The difference in strength between the two is huge, not small.
Jul 16 10 8:29 PM
Mystic Gohan took on the second powerful form of Majin Buu and easily dominated until he got absorbed ofcourse
but when Goku showed up to the scene, he was able to stand toe to toe with the strongest form of Majin Buu which had (Mystic Gohan - the boys fused etc etc)
the thing about the whole DBZ series is that Goku heavily underperformed because of Vegeta keeping an eye on every move/transformation he had throught the entire series.
Goku was warm hearted and did not want to hurt Vegeta's feelings because Vegeta always claimed to be the prince of all the saiyans and was proud of it but sadly Vegeta's status did not do justice to him.
Goku was capable of finishing every form of Buu except maybe the Mystic Gohan + Kids fused together
until ofcourse the last fight with the kid buu but even then he admitted that he was never going for the kill because he (Vegeta) was there.
Jul 16 10 9:44 PM
Jul 16 10 9:52 PM
KingOfEurope wrote:Hmm, it seems like you've been watching the anime rather than reading the manga. I am having a little bit trouble understanding what you're saying but I'll do my best to respond. Please, just work up on your grammar a little bit. No offense intended, I just want to understand what you are trying to say.
Mystic Gohan took on the second powerful form of Majin Buu and easily dominated until he got absorbed ofcourse Ok, so what you are saying here is that Mystic Gohan was dominated by Super Buu (Gotenks absorbed) right?
but when Goku showed up to the scene, he was able to stand toe to toe with the strongest form of Majin Buu which had (Mystic Gohan - the boys fused etc etc)Goku never fought Super Buu (Mystic Gohan absorbed), Vegito (Goku & Vegeta fused) did.
the thing about the whole DBZ series is that Goku heavily underperformed because of Vegeta keeping an eye on every move/transformation he had throught the entire series.What are you basing this statement off of?
Goku was warm hearted and did not want to hurt Vegeta's feelings because Vegeta always claimed to be the prince of all the saiyans and was proud of it but sadly Vegeta's status did not do justice to him. No, the only time Goku was ever holding his full potential back was against Majin Vegeta. He went SSJ2 instead of SSJ3. The reason for this was not because he cared about Vegeta's feelings, but because the transformation takes way too much energy out of him, disabling him from taking on Majin Buu. Goku does not care about Vegeta's feelings - remember during the Cell saga when Goku and Gohan emerge from the hyperbolic time chamber Goku clearly tells to Vegeta's face that he is far more powerful than he is.
Goku was capable of finishing every form of Buu except maybe the Mystic Gohan + Kids fused togetherGoku was not capable of finishing off every form of Buu (alone). The only ones he was capable of beating were Kid Buu and (maybe) Fat Buu. Remember when Goku and Vegeta were inside Buu's body and after they freed Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo and Buu's power went down, Vegeta then said "lets blast our way out of here" then Goku responds by saying "even though he is a lot weaker, we are still no match for him. If we go out right now, he is going to kill us." Yet Goku had absolutely no fear of fighting Kid Buu and even offered to fight by himself. Proving Super buu > Kid buu.
until ofcourse the last fight with the kid buu but even then he admitted that he was never going for the kill because he (Vegeta) was there. No, Goku stated that he could've finished Kid Buu off if he collected all of his power, but he let the fight drag on so Vegeta could have a shot at fighting, leading to a complete mess.Remember this, Goku was unwilling to fight Super buu (nobody absorbed) even with Vegeta's help, but was more than confident enough that he could defeat Kid Buu alone. Proving Super Buu is more powerful than Kid Buu. Now when we look at Gohan's encounter with Super Buu where he easily tossed him around, how on Earth can we assume that SSJ3 Goku and Mystic Gohan are comparable in strength?
Jul 16 10 9:55 PM
Jul 16 10 11:01 PM
he was afraid but he fought him anyway, and the buu who fought gohan is a lot less stronger than kid buu but goku did well when he fought kid buu.
Also, have you seen the movie 13? hildegarn beat mystic gohan whereas ssj3 goku killed him.
Also when kibito analyzed gohan he said that he's potential was infinite
when ssj3 goku fought with kid buu, he was not that bad whereas Super Buu (or gotenks buu) beat the crap out of Gohan! How could Gohan stand up to Kid Buu. remember - Kibito Kai said that Kid Buu was the strongest because there was nothing holding him back.
(Here is an exact quote for you to think about - straight for DragonballZ.com: "After the chords of attachment to the roly-poly Buu are severed by Vegeta, Majin Buu is expected to mutate into a much weaker form. But instead he gets even stronger! This baffles everyone but Kibito Kai, who discloses Majin Buu's bizarre history! And who is the first victim of this new, demonic Buu?… Mother Earth herself!" episode #262)
goku also stated that if he maxed out his ssj3 form he could destroy kid buu, but he didnt because he wanted vegeta to fight. so its hard to tell how powerful ssj3 goku really is, since he never reaches his max.
i keep my opinion that goku is stronger than mystic gohan BUT if the fight lasts too long, mystic gohan with his infinite potential will get over it and certainly win
Jul 19 10 8:13 AM
Jul 19 10 8:56 AM
Jul 21 10 2:20 PM
Goku from movie 13 could beat Mystic Gohan. (By the way, this movie is canon for the anime).
One more thing, with an extreme attitude, even Goku from Trunks Saga could beat Mystic Gohan.
Jul 21 10 7:59 PM
Jul 22 10 9:41 PM
picking SSj3 Goku over Mystic Gohan is hard because Goku's power level drains every minute that he fights so if the fight goes longer than 5 minute or so, he would have no chance and will get wrecked by Mystic Gohan.
KingofEurope, what's your thought about Majin Dabura vs Majin Vegeta?
Jul 22 10 11:59 PM
Majin Dabura and Majin Vegeta? Well, that's difficult to conclude because Dabura is not a major character in the show and, as far as I can remember, the only time we see his strength is when he fights SSJ2 Gohan (I am guessing it's SSJ2 because only one of his bangs is drooping down his forehead). Judging by that fight, Dabura did seem to have been the more powerful of the two by a noticeable margin. Now if we look back when Gohan transforms into a SSJ2 at the world tournament Vegeta states that he was a lot stronger when he fought Cell. Later on when Goku transforms into a SSJ2 Vegeta states that he is stronger than Gohan in the Cell saga, and him and Vegeta fought equally, so that would suggest both Goku and Vegeta are noticeably stronger than SSJ2 Gohan at 16 years of age. I am guessing a fight between Majin Vegeta and Majin Dabura is a toss-up.
Jul 24 10 12:50 PM
No! Anime filler scenes and movies are all non-canon, meaning they are created entirely by Toei for money. The only reliable source for evidence is the manga as it is created directly by the original author Akira Toriyama.
Jul 27 10 10:26 AM
No, Gohan was only a Super Saiyan in the fight with Dabura, he underestimated Dabura since the beginning and did not turn SSj2 against him at any point during the fight,
Gohan had to push his anger to an extreme level to be able to achieve the SSj2 form.
he only turned Ssj2 during the tournament because Kibito kept on asking him to show his true power
and his Ssj2 form was really weak (Vegeta and Goku both admitted)
Jul 27 10 10:31 AM
I was referring only to the anime in its own right.
Goku from Trunks Saga >>>>>>>>>> Mystic Gohan, period.
Jul 27 10 9:46 PM
Well, you have to understand the physical characteristics of a SSJ2. When Gohan is a SSJ1 he has two bangs drooping down his forehead. When he is a SSJ2 he has only one bang drooping, and lightning bolts around his body. The strange thing is, when Gohan fought Dabura he DID have only one bang drooping down his forehead (characteristic of a SSJ2) but no lightning bolts around his body (characteristic of a SSJ1), so it's a bit difficult to conclude which transformation he was using. My guess is Gohan did transform into a SSJ2. Why wouldn't he use his full power when the safety of the Earth is at hand? The animaters of the show most likely forgot to draw the lightning bolts around his body.
That's only when he transforms for the first time. After that, he can turn SSJ2 at will.
Ok, so what you're saying is, Gohan got annoyed from Kibito Kai constantly asking him to show his true power and from that anger he managed to transform into a SSJ2? Haha kind of funny when you think about it.
They didn't say he was weak, they stated that he is not as powerful as he was during the Cell Saga due to lack of training.
Dabura wasn't necessarily "toying" with Gohan, but he was the noticeably more powerful of the two.
Jul 29 10 11:39 AM
No, you simply cannot use filler scenes in the anime as a source. Do you know why? Because they constantly contradict themselves. If filler scenes counted, then Yamcha would be stronger than Cell and SSJ Goku. Let me explain, first Pikkon knocks out Cell in a single kick to the head, later on during the "Other World Tournament" Pikkon and Olibu fight each other equally, then sometime later in the show during the Buu saga Yamcha is kicking around Olibu like a joke. Do you understand now why you cannot refer to the anime?
Read the manga!
Aug 4 10 9:29 AM
So, you're trying to prove the anime is crap due to the fact that a lot of scenes shown in fillers doesn't make sense, right?
Ok. So, let's try to make sense on this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfKOyHVvAP0http://www.youtube.com/wa...ature=watch_response_revWOW!!! Words cannot describe how amazing Chibi Trunks is.
According to the manga, Nappa was stronger than Super Buu...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPqNx6NmsHY
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